Pop picking – part 5 (2000 and beyond – the new breed?)
I tend to be an instinctive writer (is there any other kind?) and that's true whether I'm working on poems or blog posts – I just go for it and I don't worry too much about whether it's a good idea or fashionable or the right way of doing something. This week's series of posts about pop music for example, in true instinctive fashion, was completely unplanned... I just starting thinking about pop music (as a subject) last weekend and hey, presto – here I am at the end of a long week of rambling about what pop music is and can be (at its best perhaps...). I'm sure for some regular readers this little series has been a bit of a turn-off (and for some quite the opposite) but never mind, next week's a whole new week (and the Poetry Bus will be back soon – prompt this week from Karen). And who knows what I'll be rambling on about next week?
But first... for the last pop post we come to the year 2000 (and the decade we seem to have ended up calling the 'noughties'). Again I had an instinctive feeling and in this case my instinct was telling me to post Britney Spears' 'Baby Hit Me One More Time' (written by Swedish writer/producer Max Martin). Why on earth did I think that, you may ask yourself (I know I did). Maybe I thought of it because it's a great pop record (half the world seems to have done a cover version already and that's a good sign of pop success)... or maybe it was because all the other records I've picked this week have been by artists who are also songwriters and I thought that, to really represent pop, I should also pick something that is in the hit factory no-one-here-writes-their-own-songs-but-they're-all-pretty territory... or just maybe it came to me because miraculously all the music I've posted so far this week has been by male pop stars/bands and it seemed time to put a female in the frame. But Britney? Britney? Was that really the best I could do – a song where the singer dresses up as a schoolgirl in the video (I mean really, who needs porn – and while we're on the subject there's a lovely comedy song about substituting burlesque for porn from last week's TV here)? And after all couldn't I have posted something by a woman who does write her own material – something by Carole King from the '60s or '70s (she is one of my VERY favourites and a great writer and I have posted songs of hers before) or some Kate Bush or Blondie, some Tracy Chapman, some Lauren Hill, some Feist... there are so many really great, talented female pop artists that I am crazy about.
Then I looked up 'Baby Hit Me One More Time' (originally written for the band TLC apparently) and realised it was actually in the charts in 1998/9 so it doesn't fit into this post anyway. Ha! So much for instinct. Back to the drawing board. And anyway, it is a song that sounds better when covered by someone else (pick your own version) and that can't be good, can it? Best forget all about it.
So pop of the noughties? Help! Help! At the beginning of 2000 I was 33 and pregnant so this has not exactly been my key decade for listening to pop (I've listened to more Teletubbies than Top Twenty, more folk music than “Now that's what I call music”). I have listened to some pop of the decade though and liked it (White Stripes, Arctic Monkeys, Corinne Bailey Rae, The Gossip, Laura Marling, The Streets' first album...), some of it I have completely missed (Kings of Leon – wouldn't know them from Adam or the Ants, Lily Allen/Katy Perry/Rihanna – all a blur in lipstick, any hip hop after about 1992 – completely beyond me) and some I just cannot stand (anything that calls itself a 'boy band'...and Muse - ugh... plus all that bland Cheryl Cole and X Factor drivel...and Lady Gaga...please god, someone lock her in her bloody endless wardrobe). But what to pick...what to pick? In the end... as an instinctive person... I'm just going to go with my gut. Sure this singer is mad as ten hatters (and she's the songwriter on this one too), sure she looks weird with a capital W and her legs might snap at any minute (but better that than the impossible manufactured perfect of Britters et al – see pic above), sure she's been a little distracted by hard drugs (and that's all a bit sad but not unusual really), sure it's a very retro song.... but one thing I do know is that it's also a song that makes me cry every time I hear it (and that means I love it!). It is pop (from 2007)... excellent pop, soulful pop. Here's... Amy!
And if you like that, you might like this too... also from 'Back to Black' and also written by the little lass with the indescribable hair:
Go on then... post me your favourite LA song. All I've ever heard is people saying how marvellous she is because she can rhyme 'al fresco' with 'tesco' which, to be honest, doesn't exactly knock me off my feet. But maybe I can be persuaded...
Best choice you could have made. You can lose the Lilys and the Duffys and the others who followed in her blood-soaked pumps' footprints, this girl was the real deal. Class with a capital 'C', and the album wil go on, and on...
Actually I don't mind Duffy... well, the big hit anyway... she's got a cracking voice too. I can forgive most things for a really good singing voice (especially one with some rough round the edges). But I'm glad you approve... old rock chicks (and ravers) for Amy (crying into our Ovaltine...). x
Will be sorry to see this end as it's been very enjoyable to read and watch and listen. I'm also having fun participating (still stuck in the 80s, so I have a feeling this may go on for a while for me).
I had that niggling feeling that the Britney song was a bit earlier, but it is a certainly a good pop song.
I like Corinne Bailey Rae and White Stripes and Oasis and some of The Killers, Wilco and even some Kelly Clarkson songs.
I only know Winehouse's "Rehab" song, but I think I could get into her, given a chance. I don't think I would be moved to cry at this song though. (I cry when Danny Kaye sings on "The Muppet Show".)
Anyway, check in later on "Blasts"; I'll have a couple of new seriously Pop-py songs.
Yes, I like one or two by the Killers too... did think of adding them in the list afterwards but sometimes you just have to stop and move on! I like that whole soul/soldier thing in this one - though not necessarily the rest of the song...
As for Amy... if you like soul and/or jazz you'll like her I think (if not - less likely). 'Rehab' is good and catchy (and so painful considering) but it's not her best song for me. x
I guess it's kind of what I've been working up to all week... that often we use 'pop' as a negative (as in 'I don't like that, it's a bit pop for me'... I've said that myself about some songs... laziness and not looking for a better word probably!) when really pop can be fantastic too - the best of the best.
Glad you're enjoying the book. On very positive days I think maybe it could be poetry pop (as in Amy - I hope - rather than as in Cheryl Cole)... but it's hard to get it to the big audience. One reader at a time it is then!
Ah me - Rachel - I am not a pop person sadly, but I do agree about blog writing. I don't plan what I am going to say I just write what the spirit moves me to say - that way it is more spantaneous and who knows where it will lead.
I'm not that keen on all the newbies who seem to have jumped on Laura Marling's band wagon - chatty witty talkie songs - but I really like Imogen Heap. Maybe because she's got long legs.
Great stuff as ever Foxy. I must mildly protest, however, about your casual condemnation of Muse!
I'm not a big fan or anything (the missus is) but I LOVE that Supermassive Black Hole one. It is a great piece of music.
Vid here http://tinyurl.com/35evqq4
As for all that pop/R&B stuff I would recommend Katy Perry (really) and Gaga. Perry is a dork but has great tunes and Gaga is just great. As a Madge fan, you should appreciate her way of working.
And Dominique Young Unique is also pretty fabulous.
OK... I'll go and listen to some of those. All I know about la Gaga is that every time lately that there's been a song on (TV or radio or whatever) and I've thought 'Jeez this is horrible' it's ended up being one of hers. I did read a very positive review of a live show of hers though that talked about her great voice... I never get that from the singles though - so much production. And me a Madge fan... I'm not sure I'd go as far as 'fan'. x
Tried the Muse... starts a bit Sabbath... goes a bit Bronski Beat. For me it's a bit rock with all the excitement removed (and given a tidy haircut).
As for Katy Perry... I notice some of her songs are the work/co-work of Max Martin (he of Britney's 'Baby hit me..'). Those Swedish pop makers... they get everywhere!
Hi Rachael, Was interested in what you are writing in that it is about music that I usually avoid. But, sat through the clip and was distracted at the antics of the extras and by the 'back to the sixties' hairdo! PS, thanks for the visit and 'taking my lumps' meaning taking punishment but with an element of a rite of passage, is an expresssion I have heard only from America, but borrowed it, as we do. :-)
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Nice choice!
Lily Allen is well worth getting to know better though, I find her lyrics really smart and witty.
Go on then... post me your favourite LA song. All I've ever heard is people saying how marvellous she is because she can rhyme 'al fresco' with 'tesco' which, to be honest, doesn't exactly knock me off my feet. But maybe I can be persuaded...
x
Remembered out walking the dog that I have heard some Lily Allen... on the 'Royle Family' last Xmas (here)!
x
Best choice you could have made. You can lose the Lilys and the Duffys and the others who followed in her blood-soaked pumps' footprints, this girl was the real deal. Class with a capital 'C', and the album wil go on, and on...
In my opinion.
will?
Actually I don't mind Duffy... well, the big hit anyway... she's got a cracking voice too. I can forgive most things for a really good singing voice (especially one with some rough round the edges).
But I'm glad you approve... old rock chicks (and ravers) for Amy (crying into our Ovaltine...).
x
And I read this week that Prince sings the second of the Winehouse songs posted here in his live shows now. The pop stamp of approval!
x
Will be sorry to see this end as it's been very enjoyable to read and watch and listen. I'm also having fun participating (still stuck in the 80s, so I have a feeling this may go on for a while for me).
I had that niggling feeling that the Britney song was a bit earlier, but it is a certainly a good pop song.
I like Corinne Bailey Rae and White Stripes and Oasis and some of The Killers, Wilco and even some Kelly Clarkson songs.
I only know Winehouse's "Rehab" song, but I think I could get into her, given a chance. I don't think I would be moved to cry at this song though. (I cry when Danny Kaye sings on "The Muppet Show".)
Anyway, check in later on "Blasts"; I'll have a couple of new seriously Pop-py songs.
Kat
Yes, I like one or two by the Killers too... did think of adding them in the list afterwards but sometimes you just have to stop and move on! I like that whole soul/soldier thing in this one - though not necessarily the rest of the song...
As for Amy... if you like soul and/or jazz you'll like her I think (if not - less likely). 'Rehab' is good and catchy (and so painful considering) but it's not her best song for me.
x
I love Amy Winehouse's music too. I don't often buy CDs, but I've bought hers. She has such an incredible voice.
Really enjoying your poetry book! I keep reading and re-reading - wonderful!
I guess it's kind of what I've been working up to all week... that often we use 'pop' as a negative (as in 'I don't like that, it's a bit pop for me'... I've said that myself about some songs... laziness and not looking for a better word probably!) when really pop can be fantastic too - the best of the best.
Glad you're enjoying the book. On very positive days I think maybe it could be poetry pop (as in Amy - I hope - rather than as in Cheryl Cole)... but it's hard to get it to the big audience. One reader at a time it is then!
x
Ah me - Rachel - I am not a pop person sadly, but I do agree about blog writing. I don't plan what I am going to say I just write what the spirit moves me to say - that way it is more spantaneous and who knows where it will lead.
It can be quite an exciting voyage, can't it Weaver! Never dull.
x
FAB.
I'm not that keen on all the newbies who seem to have jumped on Laura Marling's band wagon - chatty witty talkie songs - but I really like Imogen Heap. Maybe because she's got long legs.
I have listened to a bit of IH online but not fallen for her stuff yet. Maybe still to come...
x
Great stuff as ever Foxy. I must mildly protest, however, about your casual condemnation of Muse!
I'm not a big fan or anything (the missus is) but I LOVE that Supermassive Black Hole one. It is a great piece of music.
Vid here http://tinyurl.com/35evqq4
As for all that pop/R&B stuff I would recommend Katy Perry (really) and Gaga. Perry is a dork but has great tunes and Gaga is just great. As a Madge fan, you should appreciate her way of working.
And Dominique Young Unique is also pretty fabulous.
See here http://tinyurl.com/295tzzd
You might like xx
OK... I'll go and listen to some of those. All I know about la Gaga is that every time lately that there's been a song on (TV or radio or whatever) and I've thought 'Jeez this is horrible' it's ended up being one of hers. I did read a very positive review of a live show of hers though that talked about her great voice... I never get that from the singles though - so much production. And me a Madge fan... I'm not sure I'd go as far as 'fan'.
x
Tried the Muse... starts a bit Sabbath... goes a bit Bronski Beat. For me it's a bit rock with all the excitement removed (and given a tidy haircut).
As for Katy Perry... I notice some of her songs are the work/co-work of Max Martin (he of Britney's 'Baby hit me..'). Those Swedish pop makers... they get everywhere!
x
Hi Rachael,
Was interested in what you are writing in that it is about music that I usually avoid. But, sat through the clip and was distracted at the antics of the extras and by the 'back to the sixties' hairdo!
PS, thanks for the visit and 'taking my lumps' meaning taking punishment but with an element of a rite of passage, is an expresssion I have heard only from America, but borrowed it, as we do. :-)
Amy's for all ages, I think. Hope you enjoyed it.
x
'Starts a bit Sabbath .. goes a bit Bronski Beat' LMFAO ROFL etc etc.
You really should revive your music critic career, you know.
xx
I could write a column for someone and call it the Housewife's Choice...
x
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